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No before the world gets up and arms, understand these bullets were sold, to consumers with the understanding they work, I suppose, money was certainly exchanged on them.  Also we tried them several different ways when possible. Bruno had his reloading set up in the car and we attempted to mix up the conditions in hopes of getting favorable results paying attention to the recommended specs provided by the literature.  We shot them from the 1-11, a 1-9.5 and then finally in the 1-8 twist SnipeTac.   Believe the solids beyond 1000 yards were hard to work with, and in my humble opinion too specialized, too finicky and not really worth the effort at this time. Can that change, yes, but for now, only time will tell as we have not given up them.

I know I said wasn’t bringing  any GSC bullets but Bruno had them loaded in his SnipeTac. Now before I get too deep here, we have video of some of the shooting and testing we did. Not a lot because there was a lot to manage, but we have video of this.  The SnipeTac was pushing the 338295SP142 at just over 3000fps, and again as stated we used a 1-8 twist.  My understanding is, Bruno bought quite a few of these, and they were sold with the understanding of what rifle they were going in.  That is important point remember because I am not 100% of this model was being modified, changed, or whatever, but he bought and paid for these.  Looking at the results my first thought was, “Now I see what all the fuss was about”, and the level of protest was to shut everyone up.  It was reported by Jeff that they grounded at 750 yards and we read quite a bit of debate regarding this, well let me say, they hit the ground at 750 yards.  We started off unable to get them on paper and moved to a berm at 1000 yards with a car on it. In the middle of this berm was a piece of concrete and Bruno sent round after round trying to hit the middle of this berm with a car on it.  Nothing, no matter what he tried, holding, dialing the rounds hit the ground in front.  Finally I said to him to load his 300gr SMK into the rifle and send that, which quickly went to 1350 yards over the top of the car. So we gave up, and Bruno basically pulled the bullets with a set of pliers.   I get it, there is supposed to be a new version of this, and there very well maybe, (as yet unseen) but come on.  You sold this guy a ton of bullets with the understand they would fly.  Unless you are offering a refund to people with the “older version” or free replacement, I think that is poor form.

Here is the “not counting them out part” in the first test where I shot them we were told we were going too slow, now I am sure we will be told we are going too fast.  Okay great, I have the spec sheet from Bruno which says it is suited for all 338 calibers and gives a MV of 2850fps although not specifically, and as for twist rate I see nothing that states a 1-7 twist as ELR Researcher told me.  I have 50 rounds of these same bullets, and using an 1-9.5 I believe I can get them to 2850fps for a final try, but honestly I think anyone considering these should wait and see.  Two different groups shooting different varieties of 338 with the same results.  And as an example of Bruno’s reloading prowess, he broke out his 300NM and shot a 4? group at 1000 yards cold. Like, “hey let me try this” and bang, he had less than a 1/2 Minute group on paper. So the man has reloading talent, forget about the fact he spoke to them on it.  Our results matching the others, to me, says a lot when you look back at the debate that raged on here.

- See more at: http://www.snipershide.com/2012/04/gunsite-xlr-338-bullet-test/#sthash.uY2DYUD6.dpuf

No before the world gets up and arms, understand these bullets were sold, to consumers with the understanding they work, I suppose, money was certainly exchanged on them.  Also we tried them several different ways when possible. Bruno had his reloading set up in the car and we attempted to mix up the conditions in hopes of getting favorable results paying attention to the recommended specs provided by the literature.  We shot them from the 1-11, a 1-9.5 and then finally in the 1-8 twist SnipeTac.   Believe the solids beyond 1000 yards were hard to work with, and in my humble opinion too specialized, too finicky and not really worth the effort at this time. Can that change, yes, but for now, only time will tell as we have not given up them.

I know I said wasn’t bringing  any GSC bullets but Bruno had them loaded in his SnipeTac. Now before I get too deep here, we have video of some of the shooting and testing we did. Not a lot because there was a lot to manage, but we have video of this.  The SnipeTac was pushing the 338295SP142 at just over 3000fps, and again as stated we used a 1-8 twist.  My understanding is, Bruno bought quite a few of these, and they were sold with the understanding of what rifle they were going in.  That is important point remember because I am not 100% of this model was being modified, changed, or whatever, but he bought and paid for these.  Looking at the results my first thought was, “Now I see what all the fuss was about”, and the level of protest was to shut everyone up.  It was reported by Jeff that they grounded at 750 yards and we read quite a bit of debate regarding this, well let me say, they hit the ground at 750 yards.  We started off unable to get them on paper and moved to a berm at 1000 yards with a car on it. In the middle of this berm was a piece of concrete and Bruno sent round after round trying to hit the middle of this berm with a car on it.  Nothing, no matter what he tried, holding, dialing the rounds hit the ground in front.  Finally I said to him to load his 300gr SMK into the rifle and send that, which quickly went to 1350 yards over the top of the car. So we gave up, and Bruno basically pulled the bullets with a set of pliers.   I get it, there is supposed to be a new version of this, and there very well maybe, (as yet unseen) but come on.  You sold this guy a ton of bullets with the understand they would fly.  Unless you are offering a refund to people with the “older version” or free replacement, I think that is poor form.

Here is the “not counting them out part” in the first test where I shot them we were told we were going too slow, now I am sure we will be told we are going too fast.  Okay great, I have the spec sheet from Bruno which says it is suited for all 338 calibers and gives a MV of 2850fps although not specifically, and as for twist rate I see nothing that states a 1-7 twist as ELR Researcher told me.  I have 50 rounds of these same bullets, and using an 1-9.5 I believe I can get them to 2850fps for a final try, but honestly I think anyone considering these should wait and see.  Two different groups shooting different varieties of 338 with the same results.  And as an example of Bruno’s reloading prowess, he broke out his 300NM and shot a 4? group at 1000 yards cold. Like, “hey let me try this” and bang, he had less than a 1/2 Minute group on paper. So the man has reloading talent, forget about the fact he spoke to them on it.  Our results matching the others, to me, says a lot when you look back at the debate that raged on here.

- See more at: http://www.snipershide.com/2012/04/gunsite-xlr-338-bullet-test/#sthash.uY2DYUD6.dpuf

No before the world gets up and arms, understand these bullets were sold, to consumers with the understanding they work, I suppose, money was certainly exchanged on them.  Also we tried them several different ways when possible. Bruno had his reloading set up in the car and we attempted to mix up the conditions in hopes of getting favorable results paying attention to the recommended specs provided by the literature.  We shot them from the 1-11, a 1-9.5 and then finally in the 1-8 twist SnipeTac.   Believe the solids beyond 1000 yards were hard to work with, and in my humble opinion too specialized, too finicky and not really worth the effort at this time. Can that change, yes, but for now, only time will tell as we have not given up them.

I know I said wasn’t bringing  any GSC bullets but Bruno had them loaded in his SnipeTac. Now before I get too deep here, we have video of some of the shooting and testing we did. Not a lot because there was a lot to manage, but we have video of this.  The SnipeTac was pushing the 338295SP142 at just over 3000fps, and again as stated we used a 1-8 twist.  My understanding is, Bruno bought quite a few of these, and they were sold with the understanding of what rifle they were going in.  That is important point remember because I am not 100% of this model was being modified, changed, or whatever, but he bought and paid for these.  Looking at the results my first thought was, “Now I see what all the fuss was about”, and the level of protest was to shut everyone up.  It was reported by Jeff that they grounded at 750 yards and we read quite a bit of debate regarding this, well let me say, they hit the ground at 750 yards.  We started off unable to get them on paper and moved to a berm at 1000 yards with a car on it. In the middle of this berm was a piece of concrete and Bruno sent round after round trying to hit the middle of this berm with a car on it.  Nothing, no matter what he tried, holding, dialing the rounds hit the ground in front.  Finally I said to him to load his 300gr SMK into the rifle and send that, which quickly went to 1350 yards over the top of the car. So we gave up, and Bruno basically pulled the bullets with a set of pliers.   I get it, there is supposed to be a new version of this, and there very well maybe, (as yet unseen) but come on.  You sold this guy a ton of bullets with the understand they would fly.  Unless you are offering a refund to people with the “older version” or free replacement, I think that is poor form.

Here is the “not counting them out part” in the first test where I shot them we were told we were going too slow, now I am sure we will be told we are going too fast.  Okay great, I have the spec sheet from Bruno which says it is suited for all 338 calibers and gives a MV of 2850fps although not specifically, and as for twist rate I see nothing that states a 1-7 twist as ELR Researcher told me.  I have 50 rounds of these same bullets, and using an 1-9.5 I believe I can get them to 2850fps for a final try, but honestly I think anyone considering these should wait and see.  Two different groups shooting different varieties of 338 with the same results.  And as an example of Bruno’s reloading prowess, he broke out his 300NM and shot a 4? group at 1000 yards cold. Like, “hey let me try this” and bang, he had less than a 1/2 Minute group on paper. So the man has reloading talent, forget about the fact he spoke to them on it.  Our results matching the others, to me, says a lot when you look back at the debate that raged on here.

- See more at: http://www.snipershide.com/2012/04/gunsite-xlr-338-bullet-test/#sthash.uY2DYUD6.dpuf
 
Pasted from  http://www.snipershide.com/2012/04/gunsite-xlr-338-bullet-test/
 

No before the world gets up and arms, understand these bullets were sold, to consumers with the understanding they work, I suppose, money was certainly exchanged on them.  Also we tried them several different ways when possible. (1) Bruno had his reloading set up in the car and we attempted to mix up the conditions in hopes of getting favorable results paying attention to the recommended specs provided by the literature.  (2) We shot them from the 1-11, a 1-9.5 and then finally in the 1-8 twist SnipeTac.   Believe the solids beyond 1000 yards were hard to work with, and in my humble opinion too specialized, too finicky and not really worth the effort at this time. Can that change, yes, but for now, only time will tell as we have not given up them.

I know I said wasn’t bringing  any GSC bullets but Bruno had them loaded in his SnipeTac. Now before I get too deep here, we have video of some of the shooting and testing we did. Not a lot because there was a lot to manage, but we have video of this.  (3) The SnipeTac was pushing the 338295SP142 at just over 3000fps, and again as stated we used a 1-8 twist.  My understanding is, Bruno bought quite a few of these, and they were sold with the understanding of what rifle they were going in.  That is important point remember because I am not 100% of this model was being modified, changed, or whatever, but he bought and paid for these.  Looking at the results my first thought was, “Now I see what all the fuss was about”, and the level of protest was to shut everyone up.  It was reported by Jeff that they grounded at 750 yards and we read quite a bit of debate regarding this, well let me say, they hit the ground at 750 yards.  We started off unable to get them on paper and moved to a berm at 1000 yards with a car on it. In the middle of this berm was a piece of concrete and Bruno sent round after round trying to hit the middle of this berm with a car on it.  Nothing, no matter what he tried, holding, dialing the rounds hit the ground in front.  Finally I said to him to load his 300gr SMK into the rifle and send that, which quickly went to 1350 yards over the top of the car. So we gave up, and Bruno basically pulled the bullets with a set of pliers.   I get it, there is supposed to be a new version of this, and there very well maybe, (as yet unseen) but come on.  You sold this guy a ton of bullets with the understand they would fly.  Unless you are offering a refund to people with the “older version” or free replacement, I think that is poor form.

Here is the “not counting them out part” in the first test where I shot them we were told we were going too slow, now I am sure we will be told we are going too fast.  Okay great, I have the spec sheet from Bruno which says it is suited for all 338 calibers and gives a MV of 2850fps although not specifically, and as for twist rate I see nothing that states a 1-7 twist as ELR Researcher told me.  I have 50 rounds of these same bullets, and using an 1-9.5 I believe I can get them to 2850fps for a final try, but honestly I think anyone considering these should wait and see.  Two different groups shooting different varieties of 338 with the same results.  And as an example of Bruno’s reloading prowess, he broke out his 300NM and shot a 4? group at 1000 yards cold. Like, “hey let me try this” and bang, he had less than a 1/2 Minute group on paper. So the man has reloading talent, forget about the fact he spoke to them on it.  Our results matching the others, to me, says a lot when you look back at the debate that raged on here.

- See more at: http://www.snipershide.com/2012/04/gunsite-xlr-338-bullet-test/#sthash.uY2DYUD6.dpuf

 

 

Comment from Gerard Schultz, R&D at GS Custom bullets:

 

"The technical data for the bullet that Mr. Galli slated so comprehensively is still on the GSC website, it is just no longer linked to any list.  It is here: http://www.gsgroup.co.za/338295SP142.html  I invite any person to open that page and by right clicking on the background of the page and selecting 'View Page Info', verify that the page was last edited on November 11 2009.  That date precedes the 'test' above which is dated April 2012 so Mr. Galli cannot claim that the specification was not available to him or anyone else.

 

So, I need to apologise for a number of things.

 

1.  I assumed that someone who professes to have the knowledge that Mr. Galli and his acquaintances have, will understand the information on the Technical Data sheet for the bullet concerned.  I should not have made that assumption and I apologise for that.

 

2.  The BC numbers I give on the profile for the bullet are calculated and I assumed that, if I state a maximum speed BC, it would be understood by the reader that that speed should not be exceeded.  I should not have made such an assumption and apologise for that.  I have changed it on the new profile pages.

 

3.  The 338295SP was discontinued and replaced with the 338309SP which has a higher launch speed.  I did this because, when I designed and made the 338295SP, 338 Lapua Magnum was one of the fastest 338 calibres available.  When shooters started using the bullet in faster 338 rifles that were experimental and classed as wildcats at that stage, it was easier to withdraw the bullet than to try to educate the shooters  (amongst others, Mr. Galli) who tried to use the bullet outside of the specification for which it was designed. 

 

The bullet that superseded the 338295SP, was introduced November 27 2011. That is also when the new page was linked to the SP Bullets Technical Data. It is here but also linked from the SP Bullets Technical Data page.  http://www.gsgroup.co.za/338309SP142.html 

 

Regarding the Snipers Hide article extract above:
 
1.  Mention is made of  'paying attention to the literature' for the bullet.  This is the Technical Data given in my first link for the 338295SP.  This 'paying of attention' seems to be without comprehension and have the duration of a lightning bolt.
2.  Mr Galli states that the bullets were tried in 11", 9.5" and 8" twist rifles, without success.  The data sheet clearly shows that 11" and 9.5" twists are not suitable, so why would he try that?  I see only two possible answers:  He does not understand the Tech Data sheet or, he is deliberate in his actions and it does not suit his purpose to have a GSC bullet do well.
3.  Then the bullet was used in the correct twist rate of 1:8" but, by his own submission, at more than 3000fps from a 338 Snipe Tac.  The spec sheet for the bullet gives a maximum speed of  2850fps.  Once again, exceeding the design spec of the bullet gave problems.  When the maximum launch speed of a bullet is exceeded, it leads to dynamic instability downrange and, this is what happened. 

 
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